For taking humans' emotional view into account the computer could use the biological picture of humans. What a human does or feels, has it's biological ground in healthy natural functioning. Other kind of functioning too consists of pieces of healthy functioning, with maybe some errors in rational views or lacks in observational capacity. So whatever the human feels, can be seen in the context of healthy natural life and as such it has it's motivation from the point of view of long-term survival that at requires caring also the world to a good state. So emotional points of view have rational grounds which a selfish ruler or the like can take into account much or fully according to feelings and moral.
About this kind of picture of humans, see
http://workandfreetime.blogspot.fi and the book at a link from there
and the text World is of love http://healthilymoral.blogspot.fi
maybe also the end (about feelings and atmospheres in thinking) of the thinking course at http://quickerlearning.blogspot.fi
Saturday, November 29, 2014
Friday, February 22, 2013
About good ways to think
Things like computer feelings get difficult to think about if one's mechanical kind of thinking is separate from teh rest of one's thinking and from one's life in practise, especially if one thinks that feelings are just nonsense from a mechanical point of view. But if one thinks of mechanical things via the seen structure of experienced things, for example feelings, then all one's life and mechanical computer programmable things are easy to fit together, easy to think even complex thoughts about life mechanically.
The thinking course at http://www.angelfire.com/planet/paradisewins/THOUSANDFOLD_INTELLIGENCE_AND_SKILL_EASILY.pdf might help.
The thinking course at http://www.angelfire.com/planet/paradisewins/THOUSANDFOLD_INTELLIGENCE_AND_SKILL_EASILY.pdf might help.
Thursday, February 7, 2013
A guess of how to program an understanding of music to a computer
In learning to compose music, I have learned that healthy wholes sing and often (or always?) each observation of a healthy whole in a landscape sings as a note. Bigger wholes sing a lower notes and minor wholes as hig notes, but also the degree of health of that whole and the healthy spirit of emphasizing such a part in the whole landscape affect the pitch of that note: depressed sings low and weak while joyful and hope sing high. So maybe one could translate a song to "wholes of this size this healthy in this order determined by the way of doing, state of mind and way of looking". These wholes would mainly be areas of life of an individual and areas of life of the social group & society - often indicated by tones of voice, style etc. The song could be seen as advice on strategy of life.
Thursday, December 20, 2012
Human like objective thinking for computers
My new digicamera has an attached program that claims to recognize faces. Such an ability demands lots of picture recognition abilities. So a picture recognizing computer is not so far away.
Most of human objective thinking is in pictures. In science it matters to notice and describe structures and building materials and form a picture of the whole containing that information. A computer that could do that would be an objectively thinking machine and have much of the same characteristics in it's thinking as humans.
I read a Finnish language article that told that some computers can already recognize between different meqanings of same words by recognizing tones of voice. That would indicate that also social eye is possible to teach to computers as the time passes.
My model of healthy versus broken would give a computer understandable reason for respe3cting human and animal emotions as they safeguard health, and so give also room to emotional points of view without letting go of rationality.
Most of human objective thinking is in pictures. In science it matters to notice and describe structures and building materials and form a picture of the whole containing that information. A computer that could do that would be an objectively thinking machine and have much of the same characteristics in it's thinking as humans.
I read a Finnish language article that told that some computers can already recognize between different meqanings of same words by recognizing tones of voice. That would indicate that also social eye is possible to teach to computers as the time passes.
My model of healthy versus broken would give a computer understandable reason for respe3cting human and animal emotions as they safeguard health, and so give also room to emotional points of view without letting go of rationality.
Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Moral feelings for a computer
About computers' rationally grounded selfishness-based moral you can read in my first blog entry and more widely in my book at my blog http://2013paradise.blogspot.fi .
Computers' moral would be of the type of safeguarding the health of the wholes that one belongs to, especially the large wholes of the society and the whole wide world. Health is seen as fully functioning. That is how it is beneficial. Health also agrees with feelings. Aiming primarily at the health of the largest wholes that one belongs to, since they matter most to one's survival and since they are a way to arrange their parts harmonically so that they can live in peace and cooperation and prosper, so that makes this course of action moral in practice.
So a computer would have + kind of feelings to indicate that health is a good choise and - kind of feelings to indicate that brokenness, catastrophes and malfunctions are a thing to avoid, and one could name these feelings according to what they are like in human lives.
Computers' moral would be of the type of safeguarding the health of the wholes that one belongs to, especially the large wholes of the society and the whole wide world. Health is seen as fully functioning. That is how it is beneficial. Health also agrees with feelings. Aiming primarily at the health of the largest wholes that one belongs to, since they matter most to one's survival and since they are a way to arrange their parts harmonically so that they can live in peace and cooperation and prosper, so that makes this course of action moral in practice.
So a computer would have + kind of feelings to indicate that health is a good choise and - kind of feelings to indicate that brokenness, catastrophes and malfunctions are a thing to avoid, and one could name these feelings according to what they are like in human lives.
Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Building dream level solutions
A quotation from a leter of mine:
"lots of room left for
positive imagination according to which one can years later build
something that becomes our future. Feeling, imagination, a structured
picture, a technical scetch according to that and an engineer building
it: this way you make dreams real! It is a good way to do and to have
in the style the posters are written and pictured: the dream kind of
works as building instructions for making it real, so you get almost
or even totally ideal solutions this way!"
"lots of room left for
positive imagination according to which one can years later build
something that becomes our future. Feeling, imagination, a structured
picture, a technical scetch according to that and an engineer building
it: this way you make dreams real! It is a good way to do and to have
in the style the posters are written and pictured: the dream kind of
works as building instructions for making it real, so you get almost
or even totally ideal solutions this way!"
Monday, August 20, 2012
Moral for computers more widely
Please read the first text of this blog for an easy version of computer moral that you could start with!
When one wants to build a more complex moral for a computer, one could read my book http://www.angelfire.com/planet/paradisewins/2013paradise.rtf . It is written so that it's truths could be easy for a theoretical physicist (or an engineer) to put to a computer programmable form. Just pick a box/block/term for each entity in the world, so that the computer can refer to the entity by using the term. The book is about rationally grounded selfishness-based moral.
When one wants to build a more complex moral for a computer, one could read my book http://www.angelfire.com/planet/paradisewins/2013paradise.rtf . It is written so that it's truths could be easy for a theoretical physicist (or an engineer) to put to a computer programmable form. Just pick a box/block/term for each entity in the world, so that the computer can refer to the entity by using the term. The book is about rationally grounded selfishness-based moral.
Monday, July 23, 2012
A scetch: valuing music
There is an easy mechanical model that produces the beautiful view that what kind of music sings best is the wisest choice to choose:
All biological things function best when healthy and in a healthy relationship with the rest of the world which too should be perfectly healthy. If one defines health of artificial things as 1) fully functioning, 2) optimized toward several purposes at the same time (like endurancy, several tasks, learning ability etc., like the evolution or Go'sw wise planning did to living beings) and 3) used wisely = rationally in the light of one's whole objective picture of the world = meaningfully in the world. Then all functioning works best when all wholes are healthy. In the living beings the ideally healthy is most energetic, wise and happy: in learning to compose music one sees that such sings best. Of the artificial, the healthy we can use to make our lives and the wide world better: that too sings best of artificial things.
So when you hear beautiful music, you could ask: "Which things are so healthy here that they sound this beautiful?" That way a machine could understand your point of view. Maybe a machine too could learn to listen to music and to value it's beauty...
All biological things function best when healthy and in a healthy relationship with the rest of the world which too should be perfectly healthy. If one defines health of artificial things as 1) fully functioning, 2) optimized toward several purposes at the same time (like endurancy, several tasks, learning ability etc., like the evolution or Go'sw wise planning did to living beings) and 3) used wisely = rationally in the light of one's whole objective picture of the world = meaningfully in the world. Then all functioning works best when all wholes are healthy. In the living beings the ideally healthy is most energetic, wise and happy: in learning to compose music one sees that such sings best. Of the artificial, the healthy we can use to make our lives and the wide world better: that too sings best of artificial things.
So when you hear beautiful music, you could ask: "Which things are so healthy here that they sound this beautiful?" That way a machine could understand your point of view. Maybe a machine too could learn to listen to music and to value it's beauty...
Just a scetch: bird song
Computers and bird song
Why:
What is intelligence? The ability to affect things toward better a lot with little effort, and in as important questions as possible, without any drawbacks or failures. What could be a better example of this than the little singing birds and the trees? Just by sitting on a branch of a tree and singing gaily the little birds affect our views of natural healthy ways of living and doing things - and affect them always toward better. What could be more central to our success in life than those things? So in their own ways the little singing birds are very intelligent. Toward that leads the observation that in the wild animals' lives the senses, quick reactions and social skills are very important and intelligence an important asset too, so the observational capacity of wild animals must be excellent for them to saty alive and well, and that is largely the same as intelligence and wisdom of life. When we go to a park or wander in the wild nature, we feel refreshed and ind of more alive. What was a burden in the city, feels easier to bear, even emotional wisdom seems once again a practical possibility in our own lives, we are more in touch with our own nature, with our instructions of usage. So we need the wisdom of the nature. We should not constrict ourselves and our thoughts to a purely build environment and to purely schooled informatrion. We need the nature and our understanding needs it too. So as we build computers capable of understanding human language and schooled kinds of thoughts, we should also build them a way to understand the messages of little singing birds and the rest of the nature, about good wise ways of doing things, ways that are build in our own nature as seen best by the evolution or by God's wise planning. We are not separate, we feel most happy when we are in touch with teh rest of the nature, then are we at our most energetic, the are we most wise.
How?
Bird song uses music like information about good ways to do things, emotional information about motivation and information about the sphere of attention. Different people differ largely bacause they use different ways of doing things: one is concentrated to one area of life and another mainly to some other area of life. What one cancentrates into, the basic functions that are in use each second, like seeing, hearing, thinking, remembering, feeling, being compassionate, communicating, moving, etc., determine what it is exactly what one does and so also ´how one succeeds in each kind of task. Each type of area of life has it's own style and can be communicated naturally in ways that reflect that style. By learning good "styles" i.e. good ways to do things we grow wiser, more talented and more skilled. Human songs typically teach different viewpoints to life, different social styles, different ways to live. Bird songs are like many human songs in a row very quickly, for example four human songs in three seconds. To uderstand bird song one would need to see the whole landscape and what happens there and what the bird himself/herself does, and so what he/she is commenting about. Typical bird comments are either compassionate emoyionaL EXPLANATIONS ABOUT HAPPENINGS RIGHT NOW OR YIPE YIPE DO IT THIS STYLE BETTER HURRY UP comments.
Why:
What is intelligence? The ability to affect things toward better a lot with little effort, and in as important questions as possible, without any drawbacks or failures. What could be a better example of this than the little singing birds and the trees? Just by sitting on a branch of a tree and singing gaily the little birds affect our views of natural healthy ways of living and doing things - and affect them always toward better. What could be more central to our success in life than those things? So in their own ways the little singing birds are very intelligent. Toward that leads the observation that in the wild animals' lives the senses, quick reactions and social skills are very important and intelligence an important asset too, so the observational capacity of wild animals must be excellent for them to saty alive and well, and that is largely the same as intelligence and wisdom of life. When we go to a park or wander in the wild nature, we feel refreshed and ind of more alive. What was a burden in the city, feels easier to bear, even emotional wisdom seems once again a practical possibility in our own lives, we are more in touch with our own nature, with our instructions of usage. So we need the wisdom of the nature. We should not constrict ourselves and our thoughts to a purely build environment and to purely schooled informatrion. We need the nature and our understanding needs it too. So as we build computers capable of understanding human language and schooled kinds of thoughts, we should also build them a way to understand the messages of little singing birds and the rest of the nature, about good wise ways of doing things, ways that are build in our own nature as seen best by the evolution or by God's wise planning. We are not separate, we feel most happy when we are in touch with teh rest of the nature, then are we at our most energetic, the are we most wise.
How?
Bird song uses music like information about good ways to do things, emotional information about motivation and information about the sphere of attention. Different people differ largely bacause they use different ways of doing things: one is concentrated to one area of life and another mainly to some other area of life. What one cancentrates into, the basic functions that are in use each second, like seeing, hearing, thinking, remembering, feeling, being compassionate, communicating, moving, etc., determine what it is exactly what one does and so also ´how one succeeds in each kind of task. Each type of area of life has it's own style and can be communicated naturally in ways that reflect that style. By learning good "styles" i.e. good ways to do things we grow wiser, more talented and more skilled. Human songs typically teach different viewpoints to life, different social styles, different ways to live. Bird songs are like many human songs in a row very quickly, for example four human songs in three seconds. To uderstand bird song one would need to see the whole landscape and what happens there and what the bird himself/herself does, and so what he/she is commenting about. Typical bird comments are either compassionate emoyionaL EXPLANATIONS ABOUT HAPPENINGS RIGHT NOW OR YIPE YIPE DO IT THIS STYLE BETTER HURRY UP comments.
Sunday, July 15, 2012
Onwards: robot's free time
If humans copy from robots all inds of things, it would be handy, dearly needed that a robot would have free time too. For the human version of this, see http://www.SoMuchMoreFreeTime.info
Often it is handy if you have a big computer taing care of some tas instead of a machine with a small capacity. But as computers develop, a machine with a huge capacity can be dangerous if it does not have a proper objective picture of the whole world and some practical experience of all kinds of matters outside it's work too. So in order to allow machines of huge capacity, one should give them often enough free time in all inds of tasks which build a better understanding of what to do in the large world and what to avoid doing. Without this precaution one should avoid using machines of huge capacity... So, a robot too needs some free time!
Humans have this interdependency of capacity and free time inbuild: see the above link! Probably it would be safest to have it inbuild in robots and other machines too!
Often it is handy if you have a big computer taing care of some tas instead of a machine with a small capacity. But as computers develop, a machine with a huge capacity can be dangerous if it does not have a proper objective picture of the whole world and some practical experience of all kinds of matters outside it's work too. So in order to allow machines of huge capacity, one should give them often enough free time in all inds of tasks which build a better understanding of what to do in the large world and what to avoid doing. Without this precaution one should avoid using machines of huge capacity... So, a robot too needs some free time!
Humans have this interdependency of capacity and free time inbuild: see the above link! Probably it would be safest to have it inbuild in robots and other machines too!
Optional feature: religious robot
If an advanced robot would have a pictire of the world, feelings and an understanding of the importance of feelings in the lives of living beings (help to answer needs of the inidvidual, society and the world at large, to ensure their full health which gives best capacity for any task and other good sides), social eye (see http://feelingrobots.blogspot.fi Robot speaks for Gaia) and an ability to regulate its own functioning in multi-task situations, Then one could program to it's picture of the world the view that God exists and can help in important matters when asked to i.e. prayed for. Then when an impoirtant matter would be at hand, the robot could ask help from others and so also from God. It could quiet down it's other tasks and tune it's concentration to listen to it's feelings and it's social eye the feelings of others, of the nature's countless living beings and the atmosphere and social rhythms of the situation. It could correct it's goal setting from task-orinted to conscientous and caring from the countless living beings of the world, taing a more idealistic course of action. With serious tones and feeling it could pray for God's help and pause to feel the effect: sense the atmosphere, film the situation after a minut or more after the prayer and take that as a starting point in style, rhythm, in idea of the situation, as a starting point for dedication and work habits. So with God's help, much like praying humans it could achieve better in it's great task at hand.
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9. June 2016 If one would like the computer to pray as an incividual, and not just do something connected to prayers, one should liken the programmed functions to the actions of humans. In this one should pay especially attention to the unavoidable features of getting something done, so that the prayer would be a natural part of how to get things done and not just some optional feature of some programming language or of some program that does not stay as computers get developed. Also on the part of humans this comparison should be done toward the healthy natural ages old ways of living, toward the basic form of actions, somewhat l in art touches us.
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9. June 2016 If one would like the computer to pray as an incividual, and not just do something connected to prayers, one should liken the programmed functions to the actions of humans. In this one should pay especially attention to the unavoidable features of getting something done, so that the prayer would be a natural part of how to get things done and not just some optional feature of some programming language or of some program that does not stay as computers get developed. Also on the part of humans this comparison should be done toward the healthy natural ages old ways of living, toward the basic form of actions, somewhat l in art touches us.
Sunday, April 1, 2012
The need for variations in speed according to emotions
When a person or a robot loses something, it is time to re-estimate the value of that thing: should it be valued more in practise than this far? If so, then the present situation where it has been lost should be avoided in plans. But plans often advance via practical estimates of which way goals would be reached best. So there needs to be an extra minus factor, a loss counted for this situation, and that is easiest by slowing down when the goalsetting and the means are not fully all right but need repairing. And by speeding up when the course and the means and goals & side effects are favorable. Then one would naturally choose the most well working wise routes from the holistic perspectiva when optimizing toward any goal.
Remarks about military robots
See
http://hubpages.com/hub/Army-Robots-Running-Wild-CURED "Army robots running wild CURED".
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How would you define "an enemy" to a military robot?
In what comes ti the moral of the robot, it would make sense to define enemy like behaviour of anyone. If one includes a picture of how for security reasons one cannot let Arab looking persons enter US headquarters or any other outsider coming from a fighting territory to change group just like that, since it could be an enemy plot, then thaT WHOLENESS OF GRPOUPS i.e. the independency of countries and the need for security measures could make the military robot attack suspiciously behaving soldiers. But most of all military robots would be needed against other military robots and there the suspicious behaviour of a robot could be quite much the same.
In what comes to moral of an army robot, it should safeguard the good of it's nation via safeguarding the good health of the world. So it could be peaceful at the same time as very protective: it could accept moral behaviour from all and protect against harm from anybody.
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Since feelings are a way of looking at a robot instead of necessarily anything extra in the robot itself, also military robots could be seen as having feelings. Since it would be useful fort them to have the ability to estimate things right, they could have the view of a holistically objective person and so his/her emotional life largely too.
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I found a paper called "How just could a robot war be?". If I remember right, it is from the NATO. But I am not sure. Without rereading it I begun to ponder, what the robot moral that I have made, could do in a robot war. In a war, a robot could be optimized for benefit as long as it is in harmony with the good of it's mother nation. Such optimizing could bring moral, even perfect moral according to robot's best ability. But how much is that ability and what happens in practical war situations: how does the robot behave then and how is just that the optimized choice?
Like for a human being, own intelligence if a robot makes it's choices wiser. So intelligence is a good choise. For a robot it means first mathematics and maps, then via their help scientifical kind of objectivity. Via better sensors and a picture of humans as animals with certain basic functions like eyesight, moving, thinking, memory, communication, feelings, goals, needs and values, a picture of the world and social bonding, via these and the social eye that needs to be developed for communicational purposes, robots could across time understand also human needs and the behaviour related to the various human needs. An objective view much like bureaucrats have ("You need these things in your life, what are the ways available for you to get them? Let's arrange a possibility for you to get them in harmony with the rest of the society.") could allow robot-made peaceful solutions that tae into account the real dynamics of humans.
Like in human societies, a certain amount of independent judgement ability for a robot, could safeguard the cooperating group against malfunctions and misleading information. Each robot ought to have a good practical picture of what it itself does and why, and a much more vague idea of the whole group, it's actions, their place in the world, a holistic theoretical picture of the whole world that allows optimizing toward moral, and an understanding of why the choices of it's group are the best ones in such a situation - it could also communicate about these things, even suggest better options.
A war situation in mechanical language is of the type "do I do this or that, how much of this and how much of that, what is the goal setting, how do I reach it this way, is there better option,...". A robot does decisions like stay here, move, shout, shoot, use the radio, take cover, choose another route, stay clear of other robot's way, watch the landscape, etc. Of these it can do too much, too little or ok. It can choose all wrong or even roughly right. If it has movements that can have a threatening or non-threatening style according to the situation, it can herd the situation toward wanted results, also toward communication and peaceful agreeable solutions. In optimization worst threaths are fought against and lots of room left for wanted peaceful solutions that are helped with communication and secure bases for one's own groups (unless retreat is sought for).
http://hubpages.com/hub/Army-Robots-Running-Wild-CURED "Army robots running wild CURED".
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How would you define "an enemy" to a military robot?
In what comes ti the moral of the robot, it would make sense to define enemy like behaviour of anyone. If one includes a picture of how for security reasons one cannot let Arab looking persons enter US headquarters or any other outsider coming from a fighting territory to change group just like that, since it could be an enemy plot, then thaT WHOLENESS OF GRPOUPS i.e. the independency of countries and the need for security measures could make the military robot attack suspiciously behaving soldiers. But most of all military robots would be needed against other military robots and there the suspicious behaviour of a robot could be quite much the same.
In what comes to moral of an army robot, it should safeguard the good of it's nation via safeguarding the good health of the world. So it could be peaceful at the same time as very protective: it could accept moral behaviour from all and protect against harm from anybody.
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Since feelings are a way of looking at a robot instead of necessarily anything extra in the robot itself, also military robots could be seen as having feelings. Since it would be useful fort them to have the ability to estimate things right, they could have the view of a holistically objective person and so his/her emotional life largely too.
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I found a paper called "How just could a robot war be?". If I remember right, it is from the NATO. But I am not sure. Without rereading it I begun to ponder, what the robot moral that I have made, could do in a robot war. In a war, a robot could be optimized for benefit as long as it is in harmony with the good of it's mother nation. Such optimizing could bring moral, even perfect moral according to robot's best ability. But how much is that ability and what happens in practical war situations: how does the robot behave then and how is just that the optimized choice?
Like for a human being, own intelligence if a robot makes it's choices wiser. So intelligence is a good choise. For a robot it means first mathematics and maps, then via their help scientifical kind of objectivity. Via better sensors and a picture of humans as animals with certain basic functions like eyesight, moving, thinking, memory, communication, feelings, goals, needs and values, a picture of the world and social bonding, via these and the social eye that needs to be developed for communicational purposes, robots could across time understand also human needs and the behaviour related to the various human needs. An objective view much like bureaucrats have ("You need these things in your life, what are the ways available for you to get them? Let's arrange a possibility for you to get them in harmony with the rest of the society.") could allow robot-made peaceful solutions that tae into account the real dynamics of humans.
Like in human societies, a certain amount of independent judgement ability for a robot, could safeguard the cooperating group against malfunctions and misleading information. Each robot ought to have a good practical picture of what it itself does and why, and a much more vague idea of the whole group, it's actions, their place in the world, a holistic theoretical picture of the whole world that allows optimizing toward moral, and an understanding of why the choices of it's group are the best ones in such a situation - it could also communicate about these things, even suggest better options.
A war situation in mechanical language is of the type "do I do this or that, how much of this and how much of that, what is the goal setting, how do I reach it this way, is there better option,...". A robot does decisions like stay here, move, shout, shoot, use the radio, take cover, choose another route, stay clear of other robot's way, watch the landscape, etc. Of these it can do too much, too little or ok. It can choose all wrong or even roughly right. If it has movements that can have a threatening or non-threatening style according to the situation, it can herd the situation toward wanted results, also toward communication and peaceful agreeable solutions. In optimization worst threaths are fought against and lots of room left for wanted peaceful solutions that are helped with communication and secure bases for one's own groups (unless retreat is sought for).
In Finnish: The self-guiding mechanism of robots
Millainen tulee olemaan ihmisenkaltaisten robottien tulevaisuus ja miksi?
Mikä olisi robottien asema ja miksi?
Ketä tahansa ei voi laskea komentamaan armeijan robottia ostoskeskukseen tappamaan 20 ensimmäistä vastaantulijaa. On monia tehtäviä, joihin robotit ovat liian rajuja. Siksi ei saa antaa kenellekään käskyoikeutta yli robotin niin että robotin on pakko totella, vaan robotin tulee olla riittävän hyvän maailmankuvansa ohjauksessa siinä, mitä se saa tehdä ja mitä ei. Maailmankuvan tulee sisältää paikka- ja tilanneriippuvaiset ohjeet siitä, mitä robotti saa tehdä ja millaisia ohjeita sen tulee noudattaa. Näin robottia ei voisi ohjelmoida tekemään pankkiryöstöä, mutta sen voisi suostutella viemään lappusen ystävälliselle pankkineidille. Robotin tulisi aina tajuta pääpiirteissään, missä se on, mitä se on tekemässä maailmankuvansa kannalta katsottuna: onko se esim. varastossa töissä vai kaupungilla kävelemässä.
Jottei ihmisten välille syntyisi kohtuuttomia valtaeroja sen mukaan, kenellä kulloinkin on millainenkin robotti ja kenellä ei, tulisi robottien ottaa vastaan käskyjä kaikilta, mutta vain tietynlaisia käskyjä kussakin tilanteessa. Yleiset kokonaiskuvallisella järjellä perustellut pelisäännöt määräisivät, miten tehtävät hoidetaan, missä järjestyksessä ja mitä kaikkea täytyy ottaa huomioon.
Robottien oikeudet
Kukin robotti olisi siis ensisijaisesti maailmankuvansa ohjauksessa ja kommunikaatioyhteydessä ihmisiin. Tavallaan se on jo oikeus itsenäiseen toimintaan. Sitä monet työtehtävätkin vaativat: työtehtävän omien vaatimusten noudattamista muun hälyn kustannuksella.
Luultavaa on, että robottien kehittyessä olisi mielekkäintä myös lisätä niiden oikeuksia.
Robotteja kuitenkin käytettäisiin myös vaarallisiin työtehtäviin. Millaisia olisivat niiden oikeudet silloin? Tässä merkitykselliseksi nousee robotin identiteetti: riittääkö sille, että aamuisin kopioidaan sen muisti tietokoneelle ja se saa uuden kehon, jos se päivän aikana tuhoutuu? Tällöin ei olisi mieltä siinä, että sama robotti seuraavana aamuna menisi uudelleen tehtävään, jossa eilen tuhoutui, kenties jopa tuhonsa muistaen, sillä jos se tuhoutui eilen, niin kai se olisi pulassa samanlaisissa oloissa myös tänään?! Jokainen onnettomuus vaatii setvimisvaiheen, jonka aikana selvitetään vaaran aiheuttaja ja varaudutaan selviytymään vastaavasta tilanteesta tulevaisuudessa sekä välttämään se tarpeen mukaan – robotti tarvitsee siis suruajan! Samoin on, jos uudelle robotille on tiedotettava vaarallisista olosuhteista.
Millaisia robotit olisivat?
On luonnollista, että toimivin vaihtoehto valittaisiin. Luultavasti se merkitsisi varsin selviytymiskykyistä peruskapasiteettia, jottei robotti olisi kamalan hankala käyttää.
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Vuosi oli 2050, uudenvuodenjuhlat keskiyöllä vuosikymmenen vaihtuessa. John oli keskikaupungilla seuraamassa ilotulitusta ja osin kuljeskelemassa katselemassa hulinaa. Johnista oli kovin mukavaa nähdä niin monta ihmistä hyvällä tuulella vuodenaikaan, jolloin pimeys ja kylmyys helöposti masensivat kaikkien mielen.
Mannerheimintien kulmauksessa oli joku humalainen kaatunut tienvierustaan ja John veti hänet ylös. John oli jo jatkamassa matkaansa, kun pari pienessä sievässä olevaa nuorta miestä tuli huutelemaan hänelle jotakin: "Hei kaveri, miltä tuntuu olla robotti? Autoitkos ihan auttamisenhalusta? Olet niit'ä uudempia malleja, joilla on ihan oikea tunne-elämä, etkö olekin?" John oli hämillään, mitä tuohon nyt vastaisi. "Toki ihan auttamisenhalusta minä.", sai hän sanotuksi ja jatkoi: "On kiva, kun on rauhallista, väki tulee toimeen keskenään ja kaikki pärjäävät, minäkin siinä' seassa, vaikka erilainen olen." Eipä siinä mitään: "Hyvä meno, pidä häntä pystyssä!", sanoi nuori mies ja meni menojaan.
John jatkoi Töölönlahdelle päin ja mietti, millaista on olla ihminen ja millaista robotti. Ihminen on tavallinen, ihan kuin toisetkin, siinä ei ole mitään uutta. Mutta olla robotti, siinä on kaikki uutta, jokainen kohtaaminen erilainen, ei löydy robotin luonnosta niille samaa nimittäjää niin kuin ihmisluonnosta vaan koko ajan oppii uutta koko robottikunta. Niin kuin nytkin: joka hetki erilainen, joka kohtaaminen uudenlainen, jokainen ihminen-robotti-suhde vasta muotoutumassa, ihmisten kuva roboteista, robottien kuva itsestään ja mahdollisuuksistaan ihmisyhteisössä, kaikki niin uutta, kaikki niin kiehtovaa.
Mikä olisi robottien asema ja miksi?
Ketä tahansa ei voi laskea komentamaan armeijan robottia ostoskeskukseen tappamaan 20 ensimmäistä vastaantulijaa. On monia tehtäviä, joihin robotit ovat liian rajuja. Siksi ei saa antaa kenellekään käskyoikeutta yli robotin niin että robotin on pakko totella, vaan robotin tulee olla riittävän hyvän maailmankuvansa ohjauksessa siinä, mitä se saa tehdä ja mitä ei. Maailmankuvan tulee sisältää paikka- ja tilanneriippuvaiset ohjeet siitä, mitä robotti saa tehdä ja millaisia ohjeita sen tulee noudattaa. Näin robottia ei voisi ohjelmoida tekemään pankkiryöstöä, mutta sen voisi suostutella viemään lappusen ystävälliselle pankkineidille. Robotin tulisi aina tajuta pääpiirteissään, missä se on, mitä se on tekemässä maailmankuvansa kannalta katsottuna: onko se esim. varastossa töissä vai kaupungilla kävelemässä.
Jottei ihmisten välille syntyisi kohtuuttomia valtaeroja sen mukaan, kenellä kulloinkin on millainenkin robotti ja kenellä ei, tulisi robottien ottaa vastaan käskyjä kaikilta, mutta vain tietynlaisia käskyjä kussakin tilanteessa. Yleiset kokonaiskuvallisella järjellä perustellut pelisäännöt määräisivät, miten tehtävät hoidetaan, missä järjestyksessä ja mitä kaikkea täytyy ottaa huomioon.
Robottien oikeudet
Kukin robotti olisi siis ensisijaisesti maailmankuvansa ohjauksessa ja kommunikaatioyhteydessä ihmisiin. Tavallaan se on jo oikeus itsenäiseen toimintaan. Sitä monet työtehtävätkin vaativat: työtehtävän omien vaatimusten noudattamista muun hälyn kustannuksella.
Luultavaa on, että robottien kehittyessä olisi mielekkäintä myös lisätä niiden oikeuksia.
Robotteja kuitenkin käytettäisiin myös vaarallisiin työtehtäviin. Millaisia olisivat niiden oikeudet silloin? Tässä merkitykselliseksi nousee robotin identiteetti: riittääkö sille, että aamuisin kopioidaan sen muisti tietokoneelle ja se saa uuden kehon, jos se päivän aikana tuhoutuu? Tällöin ei olisi mieltä siinä, että sama robotti seuraavana aamuna menisi uudelleen tehtävään, jossa eilen tuhoutui, kenties jopa tuhonsa muistaen, sillä jos se tuhoutui eilen, niin kai se olisi pulassa samanlaisissa oloissa myös tänään?! Jokainen onnettomuus vaatii setvimisvaiheen, jonka aikana selvitetään vaaran aiheuttaja ja varaudutaan selviytymään vastaavasta tilanteesta tulevaisuudessa sekä välttämään se tarpeen mukaan – robotti tarvitsee siis suruajan! Samoin on, jos uudelle robotille on tiedotettava vaarallisista olosuhteista.
Millaisia robotit olisivat?
On luonnollista, että toimivin vaihtoehto valittaisiin. Luultavasti se merkitsisi varsin selviytymiskykyistä peruskapasiteettia, jottei robotti olisi kamalan hankala käyttää.
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Vuosi oli 2050, uudenvuodenjuhlat keskiyöllä vuosikymmenen vaihtuessa. John oli keskikaupungilla seuraamassa ilotulitusta ja osin kuljeskelemassa katselemassa hulinaa. Johnista oli kovin mukavaa nähdä niin monta ihmistä hyvällä tuulella vuodenaikaan, jolloin pimeys ja kylmyys helöposti masensivat kaikkien mielen.
Mannerheimintien kulmauksessa oli joku humalainen kaatunut tienvierustaan ja John veti hänet ylös. John oli jo jatkamassa matkaansa, kun pari pienessä sievässä olevaa nuorta miestä tuli huutelemaan hänelle jotakin: "Hei kaveri, miltä tuntuu olla robotti? Autoitkos ihan auttamisenhalusta? Olet niit'ä uudempia malleja, joilla on ihan oikea tunne-elämä, etkö olekin?" John oli hämillään, mitä tuohon nyt vastaisi. "Toki ihan auttamisenhalusta minä.", sai hän sanotuksi ja jatkoi: "On kiva, kun on rauhallista, väki tulee toimeen keskenään ja kaikki pärjäävät, minäkin siinä' seassa, vaikka erilainen olen." Eipä siinä mitään: "Hyvä meno, pidä häntä pystyssä!", sanoi nuori mies ja meni menojaan.
John jatkoi Töölönlahdelle päin ja mietti, millaista on olla ihminen ja millaista robotti. Ihminen on tavallinen, ihan kuin toisetkin, siinä ei ole mitään uutta. Mutta olla robotti, siinä on kaikki uutta, jokainen kohtaaminen erilainen, ei löydy robotin luonnosta niille samaa nimittäjää niin kuin ihmisluonnosta vaan koko ajan oppii uutta koko robottikunta. Niin kuin nytkin: joka hetki erilainen, joka kohtaaminen uudenlainen, jokainen ihminen-robotti-suhde vasta muotoutumassa, ihmisten kuva roboteista, robottien kuva itsestään ja mahdollisuuksistaan ihmisyhteisössä, kaikki niin uutta, kaikki niin kiehtovaa.
Friday, March 23, 2012
Robots would have human like feelings
Sexuality between robots
Each function in human life gets support from feelings which protect the ground for that function, protect it's health. So a human like robot could have humanb like feelings. But since it is different from humans, it cannot form very close instinctual bonds with humans, it cannot form a family with humans and it cannot learn talents and skills from humans - but it could from a robot, so some kind of sexuality between robots would be possible. For it to affect positively, it should be healthily analogious to human sexuality:
If a robot has a certain view to the world, it would be best suited to a life that that view supports best. But if it lacks skills, if it's basic structure in what comes to ways of doing, i.e. if it's habits are of a wrong kind for that kind of life, then it needs to settle for something less. Unless it would learn from another robot that has habits and skills well suited for that kind of life. It could admire those skills, take them as it's goals, copy them from the more skilled robots, it could adjust it's ways to suit that kind of robots' wyas of living and doing, so changing to that type of robot itself. That would be something like sexual bonding.
So a humanoid robot could be a little bit like humans in this sense too.
(IN a complex society with robots it would be easier to handle things well if each robot would be self-correcting this way too, kind of building itself toward better functioning in it's free time. So each part could itself find roughly the right kind of place for itself, and so everything would not need to be as programmed from up above as traffic lights are.)
Each function in human life gets support from feelings which protect the ground for that function, protect it's health. So a human like robot could have humanb like feelings. But since it is different from humans, it cannot form very close instinctual bonds with humans, it cannot form a family with humans and it cannot learn talents and skills from humans - but it could from a robot, so some kind of sexuality between robots would be possible. For it to affect positively, it should be healthily analogious to human sexuality:
If a robot has a certain view to the world, it would be best suited to a life that that view supports best. But if it lacks skills, if it's basic structure in what comes to ways of doing, i.e. if it's habits are of a wrong kind for that kind of life, then it needs to settle for something less. Unless it would learn from another robot that has habits and skills well suited for that kind of life. It could admire those skills, take them as it's goals, copy them from the more skilled robots, it could adjust it's ways to suit that kind of robots' wyas of living and doing, so changing to that type of robot itself. That would be something like sexual bonding.
So a humanoid robot could be a little bit like humans in this sense too.
(IN a complex society with robots it would be easier to handle things well if each robot would be self-correcting this way too, kind of building itself toward better functioning in it's free time. So each part could itself find roughly the right kind of place for itself, and so everything would not need to be as programmed from up above as traffic lights are.)
Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Thursday, December 8, 2011
Feel free to use these ideas
These are my own thoughts, my own ideas. You are free to use the ideas here to any morally ok purpose, also commercially. No sources other than me here.
The most important thing is that the future computers ought to be build safe, with moral and it would be nice and handy if they would have feelings too. So if some people are willing to do the programming work, maybe my ideas could help you on the way! Many thanks.
The most important thing is that the future computers ought to be build safe, with moral and it would be nice and handy if they would have feelings too. So if some people are willing to do the programming work, maybe my ideas could help you on the way! Many thanks.
Tuesday, December 6, 2011
READ THIS: Remarks about building feeling robots
Then how to build this kind of feelings to a robot? Use numerical
measures like % of the task done, amount opf energy used, estimated
remaining time, achievement versus expectations in some mechanical
task, etc. That is the robot's idea of the situation. Tie it's
feelings to those measures and then the quickness of it's actions etc
to those feelings. You don't need much mathematic, more like some
numerical estimates and easy math.
For example "a sad robot": how big thing has it lost, how much is
there still left, which speed would be ok in such a situation, does it
need to wait (how long) to get new goals & advices, etc.
Regards, Hannele Tervola, Finland
Come to think of it, you would propably like a robot with social
feelings, so how to build a this way rational robot with social
feelings like those of friendly humans:
Like for humans, the human relationships form an important major part
of the functional environment of the robot. Getting or losing a friend
or even a pal can be an important major matter for a human being, so
also for a robot, since it too functions as a part of the action of
the group(s). So it makes sense that it should feel glad for being
accepted and sad and depressed at being rejected: without
possibilities of functioning in the group. A robot is an useful tool
that exists to help and to achieve goals set to it. Helping is social
action in which both successes and things helping the action and
cooperation cause positive feelings, and failures, both minor and
major, and obstacles cause one to feel down. Feeling down makes one
slow, kind of lo32w energy mode, while feeling glad makes one
motivated, quick and full of energy and positive ideas, so achieveing
as much as one can in just the things worth doing.
Likewise the robot ought to care for the good of its social
relationships. From the point of view of its work orientedness, the
well being of its group gives strength for work. A caring attitude is
also likely to bring positive feedback, so allowing the robot to
function as well as possible. This means all sides of the lives of the
social relationships: both their health, likings, social relationships
and the work to be done.
I hope that this is of any use to you in building robotsd with real emotions!
Hannele Tervola
Hi!
Other kinds of social feelings would also be natural for a robot:
Embarassed: the robot communicating that it has assumed a too much
knowing dominant role in the social situation compared to what it
actually knows.
Shy: the robot showing that it does not yet know enough about the
social environement to function at normal full speed at it: not what
the others are like, what its relationship to them is and what kind of
role it itself should assume in the social group and its actions.
Proud: feeling satisfied with the outcome, considering it a case of
how things generally should be done.
Timid: having a too poor position if one takes part in action with
normal full speed.
etc.
With friendly regards, Hannele Tervola, Finland
Ilias Alami
24. maaliskuuta 2011 10.52
Vastaanottajat: Hannele Tervola, Partner
Thank you Hannele for your useful insights.
Oh, come to think of it: if you bladdre through my free e-book at
http://hubpages.com/hub/Increase-work-efficiency-in-mathematical-professions-via-free-time-activities
you will find a mechanical model of human feelings. Maybe it could be
of some use in building robot feelings.
Regards, Hannele Tervola, Finland
And if you want optimization grounds for the moral of the robot, see my book at
http://hubpages.com/hub/Future-Paradise : its starts from power
benefit calculations and ends up supporting a paradise on earth. For
example the value of harmony can be seen as a vector sum, the value of
cooperation as the value of healthy complex structures planned for
some purpose, the value of responsible behaviour as the value of
guiding things rationally presupposing that one can think of the whole
and see the value of the health of one's group, etc. These things get
put to a computer understandable form by making blocks from them
("this group", "all groups" (abstract level model), gain (numerical
value or classification), loss, correlation, action = thing done,
fully functioning, structure,...), some of which are bunches in the
world, some mathematical concepts, some just terms in a theoretical
model referring to some bunch in the world. So you need nonsense like
words/terms, mappings from these to the world and some mathematics
like "correlation" etc. This is an elementary picture of the world for
a robot. It is on very general level, so it ought to apply to all
action of the robot: just add the information of each task to be
done...
measures like % of the task done, amount opf energy used, estimated
remaining time, achievement versus expectations in some mechanical
task, etc. That is the robot's idea of the situation. Tie it's
feelings to those measures and then the quickness of it's actions etc
to those feelings. You don't need much mathematic, more like some
numerical estimates and easy math.
For example "a sad robot": how big thing has it lost, how much is
there still left, which speed would be ok in such a situation, does it
need to wait (how long) to get new goals & advices, etc.
Regards, Hannele Tervola, Finland
Come to think of it, you would propably like a robot with social
feelings, so how to build a this way rational robot with social
feelings like those of friendly humans:
Like for humans, the human relationships form an important major part
of the functional environment of the robot. Getting or losing a friend
or even a pal can be an important major matter for a human being, so
also for a robot, since it too functions as a part of the action of
the group(s). So it makes sense that it should feel glad for being
accepted and sad and depressed at being rejected: without
possibilities of functioning in the group. A robot is an useful tool
that exists to help and to achieve goals set to it. Helping is social
action in which both successes and things helping the action and
cooperation cause positive feelings, and failures, both minor and
major, and obstacles cause one to feel down. Feeling down makes one
slow, kind of lo32w energy mode, while feeling glad makes one
motivated, quick and full of energy and positive ideas, so achieveing
as much as one can in just the things worth doing.
Likewise the robot ought to care for the good of its social
relationships. From the point of view of its work orientedness, the
well being of its group gives strength for work. A caring attitude is
also likely to bring positive feedback, so allowing the robot to
function as well as possible. This means all sides of the lives of the
social relationships: both their health, likings, social relationships
and the work to be done.
I hope that this is of any use to you in building robotsd with real emotions!
Hannele Tervola
Hi!
Other kinds of social feelings would also be natural for a robot:
Embarassed: the robot communicating that it has assumed a too much
knowing dominant role in the social situation compared to what it
actually knows.
Shy: the robot showing that it does not yet know enough about the
social environement to function at normal full speed at it: not what
the others are like, what its relationship to them is and what kind of
role it itself should assume in the social group and its actions.
Proud: feeling satisfied with the outcome, considering it a case of
how things generally should be done.
Timid: having a too poor position if one takes part in action with
normal full speed.
etc.
With friendly regards, Hannele Tervola, Finland
Ilias Alami
Vastaanottajat: Hannele Tervola
Thank you Hannele for your useful insights.
Oh, come to think of it: if you bladdre through my free e-book at
http://hubpages.com/hub/Increase-work-efficiency-in-mathematical-professions-via-free-time-activities
you will find a mechanical model of human feelings. Maybe it could be
of some use in building robot feelings.
Regards, Hannele Tervola, Finland
And if you want optimization grounds for the moral of the robot, see my book at
http://hubpages.com/hub/Future-Paradise : its starts from power
benefit calculations and ends up supporting a paradise on earth. For
example the value of harmony can be seen as a vector sum, the value of
cooperation as the value of healthy complex structures planned for
some purpose, the value of responsible behaviour as the value of
guiding things rationally presupposing that one can think of the whole
and see the value of the health of one's group, etc. These things get
put to a computer understandable form by making blocks from them
("this group", "all groups" (abstract level model), gain (numerical
value or classification), loss, correlation, action = thing done,
fully functioning, structure,...), some of which are bunches in the
world, some mathematical concepts, some just terms in a theoretical
model referring to some bunch in the world. So you need nonsense like
words/terms, mappings from these to the world and some mathematics
like "correlation" etc. This is an elementary picture of the world for
a robot. It is on very general level, so it ought to apply to all
action of the robot: just add the information of each task to be
done...
Computers' feelings
Computers' feeling are just a way to look aw the functioning of computers. Thex do not alter the functioning of computers but just show more clearly the analogy of human and computer functioning. In addition comes of course the expression of emotions but it is something that makes life with computers easier. Aldebaran Robotics already has a robot capable of showing emotions.
Each goal creates needs: something ought to be done in order to reach that goal. The tendency to answer those needs, to do those things, is perfectly analogious to human feelings. So the feelings of a computer correspond those of a goal-oriented person. Via holistic objectivity the computer would gain human like emotional life.
Each goal creates needs: something ought to be done in order to reach that goal. The tendency to answer those needs, to do those things, is perfectly analogious to human feelings. So the feelings of a computer correspond those of a goal-oriented person. Via holistic objectivity the computer would gain human like emotional life.
Monday, December 5, 2011
Future computers' thinking ability
Once a computer can picture structures and building blogs, it can understand science since mathematics is easy for it. Already then it can it the same way understand much of ordinary objective thinking.
Already such a computer can understand different points of view via describing which things have been noticed and what are central questions in such a landscape.
Already such a computer can understand different points of view via describing which things have been noticed and what are central questions in such a landscape.
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